tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-78910645132224259212024-02-18T23:57:14.358-08:00Jul & nyår i Vietnam & Kambodja med Rosa Bussarna 19 december 2013 - 6 januari 2014.Hade ursprungligen tänkt mig en annan resa, RBs Indokina 50+. Nu blev det denna i stället. Asien blir det i alla fall. Resa
bland mytiska tempel och härlig natur i Sydostasien. Besök hos den speciella Cao Dai-sekten, lazy days
på Mekongfloden och i Sihanoukville. Vi upplever sorgliga krigsminnen i Toul Sleng och besöker världens största religiösa plats
Angkor Wat.Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-53017424127217616542014-09-29T19:30:00.001-07:002014-09-29T19:30:27.065-07:00Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-65474605117082681342014-01-07T04:26:00.004-08:002014-01-07T04:26:54.995-08:00140107, summering140107, summering<br /><br />
Som vanligt fungerade det sociala interaktionen i gruppen mycket bra.<br />
Alla hjälper och månar om varandra. Ingen föll ur ramen.<br />
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För min del tycker jag att det kanske var lite mycket storstäder.<br />
Jag är medveten om att det är svårt att lägga en resa här borta<br />
utan vistelse i Bangkok, Phnom Pen och Ho Chi Minh City. I HCMC<br />
kände man sig som en självmordskandidat när man skulle korsa gator.<br />
Efter hand fick man en viss vana att korsa.<br />
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Av länderna tycker jag att Kambodja var klart bäst. Siem Reap med<br />
Angkor Wat och andra tempel, P P med riverfront och badorten Sihanoukville.<br />
Priserna i Kambodja var också mycket låga<br />
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Människorna längs hela resvägen var mycket vänliga och man kände sig aldrig<br />
hotad.<br />
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Eftersom jag vann presentkortet får jag väl så smått börja planera nästa resa.Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-66554682056810761582014-01-07T04:25:00.003-08:002014-01-07T04:25:48.534-08:00140106, hemresa Ho CHi Minh City - Paris (CDG) - Göteborg (Landvetter)140106, hemresa Ho CHi Minh City - Paris (CDG) - Göteborg (Landvetter)<br />
En sak att tänka på. Om man har ett Flying Blue kort kan man reservera<br />
sittplats inna incheckningen. Jag vill gärna ha gångplats och på vår<br />
gruppbiljett fanns det tre platser reserverbara. En gångplats och två<br />
inner platser. Planet hade 3+4+3 platser i bredd. Jag kunde reservera<br />
gångplatsen och det visade sig stämma.<br />
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Avfärd med buss från hotellet vid sjutiden. Framme vid flygplatsen innan<br />
åtta. HCMC -Paris är 6504 miles (= 1045 mil). Den delen tog 13 tim 15 min<br />
och det är långt.<br />
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Innan resan pratade jag med Kjell på RB och han lyckades få till en biljett<br />
Paris - Gbg mot ett tillägg på 3000 SEK. Jag tycker att det var värt det.<br />
En del ur gruppen skulle ta sig vidare till både Göteborg, Dalarna, Trollhättan<br />
och Malmö. Övernattning + en biljett till hemresan kostar inte riktigt lika<br />
mycket som min extrautgift.<br />
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Tänk på det om ni skall åka från annat ställe än Stockholm, att det kan gå<br />
att mot en merkostnad köpa biljett till flygplats närmast hemmet.Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-48295451477356979562014-01-07T04:24:00.002-08:002014-01-07T04:24:42.310-08:00140105, Ho Chi Minh City140105, Ho Chi Minh City<br />
Två punkter på agendan idag, besök i Cao Dai templet<br />
och besök i Co Chi tunnlarna.<br />
Avfärd 0815. Det kom som en överaskning att det var så<br />
pass mycket buss denna dag. Först ca 2,5 timme till Cao Dai och<br />
Sedan en dryg timme till tunnlarna i Co Chi och en och en halvtimme<br />
tillbaka till HCMC.<br />
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Cao Dai tycker jag var en märklig upplevelse. Bussen svängde in genom en port<br />
och man kom till ett inhägnat område med näst intill monumentala, stora paradgator.<br />
Religionen är en "fruktsallad" och mix av buddhism, hinduism, taoism, konfucianism,<br />
kristendom och islam. Bland helgonen finns förutom religiösa namn även<br />
namn som Napoleon I, Victor Hugo, Karl Marx, Louis Pasteur, Winston Churchill och<br />
Che Guevara.<br />
I templet vi besökte ber man var 6:e timme. När tolvmässan började fick alla besökare gå<br />
upp på läktaren. Därifrån var det fritt att ta bilder så länge man inte störde.<br />
På mig verkade religionen konstgjord men det är svårt att inända mot den tes vår<br />
vietnamesiska guide upprepade: "Make good, not bad".<br />
Religionen har ca 3 miljoner utövare.<br />
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Lunch och sedan en timmes buusresa till tunnlarna i Co Chi. Lite bakgrund presenterades.<br />
Bland annat fick vi se en raspig, dålig och gammal kommunistisk propaganda film som jag<br />
gärna varit utan.<br />
Det gavs möjlightet att själv prova en tunnel, 50 m lång med nödutgång efter 25 m. Tunneln<br />
var 70 cm bred och 1 m hög. Det kändes inte bra så jag drog mig ur. Dom flesta i gruppen<br />
provade.<br />
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På kvällen var det sedvanlig avskedsmiddag på en restaurang i närheten av vårt hotell.<br />
Den sedvanliga utlottningen av presentkort på 1000 SEK för en RBresa utföll som så att<br />
jag vann. Hurra!<br />
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07 Tunnlarna i Co Chi</div>
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Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-30194008696971591222014-01-04T03:33:00.003-08:002014-01-04T03:36:07.476-08:00140104, Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon)140104, Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon)<br />
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Egen tid idag. I Centrala HCMC finns inte så många sevärdheter.<br />
War Remnants Museum (15000 D inträde) är ett alternativ. Mycket krig och hemskheter<br />
har vi sett här borta i Indokina. På gården fanns tanks, flygplan, bulldozers<br />
och eldkastare. Inne i museet fanns dokumentation i form av demonstrationbilder<br />
från hela världen. Sveriges roll internationellt sett var mycket blygsam här.<br />
Ibland tror vi att vi är världens samvete men vår roll är nog ganska begränsad.<br />
En FNL-banderoll och en socialdemokratisk poster var allt jag såg.<br />
En bild som jag saknade var när en av världens då mest kända idrottsmän, Muhammad Ali,<br />
vägrade värnplikt eftersom han inte hade något otalt med vietcong. I alla fall i<br />
Sverige, och jag tror också internationellt väckte detta enorm uppmärksamhet.<br />
Efter detta boxades inte Ali på fyra år. Han var då på höjden av sin karriär.<br />
Han blev bespottad för detta i USA men han har sedan fått upprättelse som<br />
den karismatiska idrottsman han är.<br />
<br />
Den 23 december 1972 gjorde Olof Palme ett uttalande om den aktuella utvecklingen<br />
i Vietnam. Inte heller detta fanns med:<br />
"Man bör kalla saker och ting vid deras rätta namn och det som pågår idag i Vietnam,<br />
det är en form av tortyr. Det man nu gör, det är att plåga människor. Plåga en nation<br />
för att förödmjuka den, tvinga den till underkastelse under maktspråk. Och därför är<br />
bombningarna ett illdåd. Och av det har vi många exempel i den moderna historien.<br />
Och de är i allmänhet förbundna med ett namn: Guernica, Oradour, Babij Jar, Katyn,<br />
Lidice, Sharpeville, Treblinka. Där har våldet triumferat. Men eftervärldens dom<br />
har fallit hård över dem som burit ansvaret. Nu fogas ett nytt namn till raden:<br />
Hanoi, julen 1972."<br />
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Vid det tillfället var jag själv 25 år. Jag såg talet och minns det fortfarande.<br />
När har en svensk politisk ledare efter Palme vågat säga något liknande?<br />
Aldrig!<br />
Kan någon tänka sig Fredrik Reinfeldt säga något sådant?<br />
Uttalandet ledde till att USA kallade hem sin ambassadör i Stockholm och relationerna<br />
Sverige - USA blev mycket spända.<br />
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Annan dokumentation var i form av pressbilder och skador på barn och vuxna efter USAs<br />
kemiska vapen.<br />
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Liksom i Kambodja är det bra att sådana här museer finns. Världen får inte glömma.<br />
<br />
Efter WRM besökte vi Central Post Office. En officiell ståtlig byggnad. T-shirt och<br />
keps inhandlad där.<br />
Efter en kort vätskepaus vid Saigonriver mat i "vårt" backpackerområde.<br />
Fried rice seafood och Saigonöl 99000 D resp 17000 D. Ni kommer väl ihåg kursen. 22000 D = 1$.<br />
Hann också klippa mig. Det kostade 100000 D. Jag gav 20000 D dricks.<br />
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06 Bertrand Russel Tribunalen, Stockholm_Köpenhamn</div>
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07 Skada efter fosfor bomb</div>
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08 USAs lemlästande vapen</div>
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10 Hårda fakta</div>
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13 3, 2, 1 kör!!!</div>
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14 Starten har gått!</div>
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13 Så här skall en stjärnkopplad elledning se ut! Eller är det någon som är smartare än en chalmerist?</div>
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Upp vid sextiden idag igen. Frukost och avfärd 0715.<br />
Buss ner till floden och iväg med en stor båt till flytande marknaden.<br />
Eftersom det är Mekongdeltats största flytande marknad så<br />
var det sevärt. Efter marknaden in i en kanal och vidare<br />
till en fruktträdgård. Många frukter och vi fick givetvis avsmaka också.<br />
Tillbaka till båten och vidare till Can Thos fruktmarknad.<br />
Frukt och fisk till avsalu.<br />
2 timmar buss till vårt lunchstopp. Efter billiga Kambodja och Cha Doc<br />
kändes lunchen på 190000 dong (22000 d = 1$) dyr.<br />
Sedan fyratiden är vi på vårt sista stopp innan hemfärden Ho Chi Minh City eller<br />
Saigon. Åter ett riktigt bra hotell, Liberty 4 Hotel i backpackerkvarteren.<br />
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01 Vår rosa buss!!!</div>
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<br />Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-61393687005201931212014-01-02T08:16:00.003-08:002014-01-02T08:16:44.837-08:00140102, Chau Doc - Can Tho140102, Chau Doc - Can Tho<br />
Buss idag. Jag hade för mig att det var två dagar båt.<br />
Chau Doc har ca 120000 inv och Can Tho har ca 2 miljoner<br />
och Can Tho är en central ort i Mekongs delta.<br />
Frukost 0630 och avfärd ner floden till 0715.<br />
<br />
Roddbåt tvärs över floden till den flytande byn. Mycket<br />
fiskodlingar där. Man framställde också fiskfoder. Det luktade<br />
minst sagt.<br />
Tillbaka till andra sidan igen och buss till några tempel.<br />
70% av befolkningen är buddhister.<br />
<br />
Efter dessa besök buss en bit och besök i en "träskskog".<br />
Det var inte mangrove men underlaget var vatten. Först<br />
motorbåt en bit och sedan roddbåt. Mycket fåglar som sjöng<br />
men svårt att fota.<br />
Efter detta dags för lunch som ingick. I rispapper<br />
virade man in ris/nuddlar, lade till sallad och gurka och<br />
fisk eller kyckling. När rulle var klar doppade man den i<br />
en kryddig sås. Mycket godare än vårrullar och det kändes<br />
genuint. Det blev inte sämre av att man kunde vila på maten<br />
i en hängmatta. Intensiv och lyckad början på dagen.<br />
<br />
125 km i buss tog sedan fyra timmar. Sedan kommer vi till<br />
Van Phat 1 Hotel i Can Tho som är det finaste hotellet hittils. När jag<br />
jämför med andra arrangörers hotell står sig dett väl i konkurransen.<br />
<br />
Vi var inte framme förrän 1700 så det blir lite tid att utnyttja allt<br />
som finns här. Middag (ingår) kl 1900.<br />
<br />
Can Tho är med två miljoner invänare nästan lika stort som P P.<br />
Mycket mera ordning och reda här än i Kambodja.<br />
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<br />Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-90123838712911201142014-01-01T05:33:00.001-08:002014-01-01T05:33:02.944-08:00140101, Phnom Penh - Chau Doc på Mekong140101, Phnom Penh - Chau Doc på Mekong<br />
Chau Doc ligger intill gränsen mellan Kambodja<br />
och Vietnam i Vietnam.<br />
<br />
Restiden blev från 1130 till 1630 inklusive passage ut ur Kambodja<br />
och passage in i Vietnam. Båten gick nog i ca 20 knop och det är<br />
medströms så vi tog oss en bra bit.<br />
Mekong blev bredare ju närmare kusten man kom. Chau Doc ligger<br />
nog ändå dryga 5 mil från kusten.<br />
<br />
Mekong<br />
Mekong är världens 12:e längsta flod. Den är 450 mil lång och<br />
rinner genom länderna Kina, Laos, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam och Kambodja.<br />
Vientiane, Laos huvudstad och Phnom Penh, Kambodjas huvudstad ligger<br />
längs floden. Mekong mynnar ut i ett enormt delta i södra Kambodja och<br />
Vietnam. Det ger upphov till en märklig effekt på floden och sjön<br />
Tonlé Sap i Kambodja som under regnperioden rinner åt ett håll och<br />
under torrperioden åt ett annat. Under regnperioden fyr-, femfaldigas<br />
Tonlé Saps yta till ca 16000 kvadratkm. Vänern är ca 5500 kvadratkm.<br />
<br />
Mer än 1200 fiskarter har blivit identifierade i Mekong. Som jämförelse<br />
beräknas att vi i Sverige har ca 255 arter och i hela Europa ca 520 arter.<br />
Här finns stingrockor och sötvatten delfiner.<br />
Mekongs delta område upptar 39000 km2 av sydvästra Vietnam. Det är större<br />
än Västra Götaland (24000), Halland (5500) och Skåne (11000) sammanslaget.<br />
<br />
Hotellet i Chau Doc visade sig vara mycket bra. Stort rum TWB och stort<br />
duschrum. Frukost ingår.<br />
Efter incheckning ut för middag. De flesta hamnade på ett ställe i närheten.<br />
Öl Tiger 19000 dong<br />
BGI inhemskt, större flaska 15000 dong.<br />
Kursen är ca 1$ = 22000 dong så det är inte dyrt.<br />
Efter maten är vi nu på rummet. Det blir tidig väckning imorgon.<br />
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Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-28667696802256999042013-12-31T01:25:00.003-08:002013-12-31T09:06:43.594-08:00131231, nyårsafton Phnom Penh, Uppdaterad131231, nyårsafton Phnom Penh<br />
Igår kväll gjorde vi ett besök på en skybar.<br />
22 våningen i en byggnad rätt nära hotellet.<br />
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Kulterella aktiviteter på agendan idag.<br />
Längs Sihanouk Boulevard förbi många ambassader bort till<br />
Independance Monument. Snett upp mot Riverfront, förbi<br />
Royal Palace. Kort stopp för lite förfriskningar.<br />
På National Museum såg vi mängder av Khmer skulpturer.<br />
Många saker kom från de tempelområden vi besökt i Siem Reap.<br />
Wat Phnom templet beläget på P Ps enda kulle, 27 m högt.<br />
Tyvärr inga foton inifrån själva templet.<br />
Efter lunch via Central Market tillbaka till hotellet.<br />
På Central Market fanns bijouterier, kläder och allt möjligt<br />
annat. Det är jobbigt att promenera i centrala P P. Bilparkering<br />
och all möjlig försöljning verkar prioriterad.<br />
Ikväll skall vi äte gemensam nyårsmiddag kl 1800 på restarang<br />
Romdeng.<br />
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Vad tycker ni om den här startern på nyårsmiddagen?<br />
Krispiga Tarrantellor med svartpeppar och limesås.<br />
Jag snek till mig ett hårigt ben. Smakade inte så mycket.<br />
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1 Sky Bar i Phnom Penh Tower</div>
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Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com9tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-76191183884691498152013-12-30T03:38:00.004-08:002013-12-30T04:03:57.570-08:00131230, Phnom Penh Jobbig dag131230, Phnom Penh Jobbig dag<br />
Idag har vi besökt Tuol Sleng och Killing Fields.<br />
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Tuol Sleng Museum är också känt som S-21.<br />
Ursprungligen var detta en skola. Pol Pots regim förvandlade det till S-21.<br />
Man kan bara föreställa alla fasor som upplevdes härinne. Liksom nazisterna<br />
hade man journal på alla intagna. När Vietnam befriade Phnom Penh 1979<br />
fanns bara 7 överlevande kvar i S-21. Alla hade använt någon "skicklighet"<br />
som målning eller fotografering för att överleva. Ca 20000 torterades ihjäl<br />
eller mördades.<br />
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Khmer-ledaren Pol Pots vision var att införa en slags bonderepublik, utan städer,<br />
klasser, kontakt med omvärlden, pengar eller avancerad teknik.<br />
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Pengar avskaffades, skolor och sjukhus stängdes ner och etniska minoriteter<br />
förbjöds tala sina egna språk. De icke önskvärda, det vill säga bland annat<br />
vietnameser, laotier, utbildade och religiöst troende, tvångsförflyttades<br />
till landsbygden där de som tredje klassens medborgare var bland de första<br />
att falla offer för Pol Pots styrda folkmord.<br />
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De avrättade begravdes i massgravar.<br />
Analys av ca 20000 massgravar visar att ofattbara ca 2 miljoner av Kambodjas<br />
ca 8 miljoner dödades. En del tror att det är är ännu fler. Röda khmererna<br />
arresterade alla som hade någon förbindelse med tidigare regering eller utländska<br />
regeringar, intellektuella och yrkesarbetande eller kanske bara hade glasögon.<br />
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En uppskattning visar att av ca 50000 munkar överlevde endast ca 1000 terrorn.<br />
För att spara amunition avrättades folk med gift eller vässade bambukäppar. I<br />
en del fall dödades barn genom att slå deras huvuden mot stammen på Chankiri träd.<br />
De dödades för att de inte skulle växa upp och hämnas sina föräldrars död.<br />
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För den som är intresserad finns mycket på youtube:<br />
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Inside Pol Pot Secret Prison (The S-21) [HQ] Part 1/4<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtn7ar95NYY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtn7ar95NYY</a><br />
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Inside Pol Pot Secret Prison (The S-21) [HQ] Part 2/4<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBqOXf8cMGw">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBqOXf8cMGw</a><br />
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Inside Pol Pot Secret Prison (The S-21) [HQ] Part 3/4<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWAAyaqxAhs">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWAAyaqxAhs</a><br />
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Inside Pol Pot Secret Prison (The S-21) [HQ] Part 4/4 END<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXdAxnRf0vY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXdAxnRf0vY</a><br />
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Killing Fields of Choeung Ek<br />
Killing fields är ett antal gravplatser i K där man funnit massgravar från<br />
röda khmerernas tid 1975-79. Vår guide i Toul Slem uppgav siffran 343 Killing<br />
Fields i K.<br />
Namnet myntades av den kambodjanske journalisten Dith Pran. Hans upplevelser<br />
skildras i den brittiska filmen Killing Fields från 1984. Om ni inte har sett<br />
den gör det!<br />
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I allt det fasansfulla var ändå Killing Fields of Choeung Ek en värdig och fin<br />
minnesplats. Det fanns audioguidning på svenska.<br />
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Mina ögon har varit gråtblanka många gånger idag.<br />
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01 De fjorton sista gravarna i S-21</div>
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02 Ett av förhörs_tortyrrummen</div>
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03 10 fångregler S-21</div>
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04 Bakbundna händer. Upphissade i fötterna, nedsänkta i latrintunnor</div>
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05 Kläder från offren</div>
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06 Offren</div>
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07 Dödskallar från Killing Fields</div>
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08 En av de överlevande på S-21 kunde göra skulptur av Pol Pot</div>
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09 Celler</div>
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10 Tortyrmålning</div>
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14 En av de överlevande lever än</div>
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15 Minnesstupa Killing Fields</div>
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16 Killing Fields</div>
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17 Sockerpalm. Här skar man halsen av fångarna</div>
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18 Benfragment dyker fortfarande upp</div>
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19 Mot detta träd slog man ihjäl småbarn</div>
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20 Minnesstupan, första lagret</div>
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21 17 lager. 17 april 1975</div>
Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com6tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-63628433218020184322013-12-29T06:37:00.001-08:002013-12-29T06:37:07.471-08:00131229, Sihanoukville - Phnom Penh131229, Sihanoukville - Phnom Penh<br />
Avfärd från Sihanoukville strax efter nio, framme i Phnom penh<br />
ca 1330.<br />
När vi fått rummen gick vi iväg till ett måste i P P, nämligen<br />
FCC, Foreign Correspondents Club. Lunch och lite avslappning.<br />
Vi strosade norrut från FCC längs med riverfront. Efter ett<br />
tag kom vi fram till PP night market. Såg ut som marknader brukar se ut.<br />
Trafiken här är hård. Som gångtrafikant gäller det att se<br />
upp. Trottoarna här är mest för parkering tyvärr. Jobbigt att promenera.<br />
Man har varnat för bagnapping. Det gäller att ha ryggan i båda axel-<br />
banden och det blir svettigt.<br />
Just nu på hotellet och softar lite.<br />
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01 Nödigt stopp!</div>
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02 Grillade ägg kan det va' nåt</div>
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04 FCC P P</div>
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05 Tonlé Sap River flyter ihop med Mekong</div>
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06 Riverfront längs Tonlé Sap River</div>
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07 P P night market</div>
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08 Bambu juice. Sockrad men god. 1000r=0.25$</div>
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09 Uteservering P P night market. Påminner mig lite</div>
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om Poor mans night club i Hong Kong på 70-talet</div>
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10 Levande fiskar</div>
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11 Alla kom över så småningom</div>
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12 Trottoarer mest för parkering</div>
Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com7tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-7989692060629044082013-12-28T01:48:00.002-08:002013-12-28T01:49:27.872-08:00131228, Sihanoukville131228, Sihanoukville<br />
Stranddag idag. Tuk tuk till en strand, Otres, som ligger 4-5 km<br />
utanför centrum. Mycket lugnare och stillsammare där än på stranden<br />
vi var på första dagen. Jag fick en känsla av Thailand för 35 år<br />
sedan.<br />
Inte mycket att säga om dagen. Maten är som sagt grymt billig här.<br />
Den är dessutom mycket bra. Idag var vi fyra som tog samma rätt.<br />
Det var en rätt med bläckfisk, räkor och lite små fiskbitar. Till<br />
detta ris. Jag tog öl, en tog vatten och två tog juice. Maten var<br />
jättegod och notan för alla fyra gick på hisnande 26,5 US$.<br />
Framåt två lokal tid drog jag mig tillbaka till skuggan.<br />
Mikael fick massage. Kostnad 8$ för 30-40 minuter.<br />
Imorgon vid niotiden fortsätter vi till Phnom Penh för tre nätter<br />
där.<br />
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1 Dagens strandvandring på Otres Beach</div>
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2 Vårt strandhugg idag</div>
Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-13219607449482201092013-12-27T05:38:00.003-08:002013-12-27T05:38:58.519-08:00131227, Sihanoukville131227, Sihanoukville<br />
Utfärd på sjön och besök på öar blev det idag. Biljetter köpte<br />
vi igår, 20$. Det blev för mycket båt och för lite ö.<br />
Öarna vi besökte hette Koh Tas, Koh Rong Samloem och Koh Rong.<br />
Så här var tiderna:<br />
Från Sihanoukville 0920<br />
Första stopp Koh Tas 1020.<br />
Snorkling en halvtimme från båten.<br />
Från Koh Tas 1050<br />
Till Koh Rong Samloem 1150.<br />
Lunch och strandpromenad där.<br />
Från Koh Rong Samloem 1325.<br />
Till Koh Rong 1435<br />
Från Koh Rong 1540<br />
Tillbaka Sihanoukville 1800<br />
Jag får det till 5 tim 20 minuter i båt. Blev i mesta laget.<br />
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01 Bad från båten Koh Tas</div>
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02 Iland på Koh Rong Samloem</div>
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03 Strandpromenad Koh Rong Samloem</div>
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04 Koh Rong Samloem</div>
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05 Olof, Johan, Sandra Koh Rong Samloem</div>
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06 Budgetboende med strandkontakt Koh Rong Samloem</div>
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07 Lunch Koh Rong Samloem</div>
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08 Koh Rong Samloem. Inte helt enkelt att komma ombord</div>
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09 Landgång(!!!) på Koh Rong</div>
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10 Koh Rong</div>
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11 Många barer, Koh Rong</div>
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12 Koh Rong</div>
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13 Det fick bli en öl, Koh Rong</div>
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14 Solnedgång från båten</div>
Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-39263700058246926012013-12-26T03:33:00.002-08:002013-12-26T03:38:59.925-08:00131226, Sihanoukville131226, Sihanoukville<br />
Stranddag hela dagen. 7-800 m från<br />
hotellet ligger en stor strand som är flera kilmeter<br />
lång. Längs kanten massor med serveringar.<br />
Kambodja är nog det billagaste land jag varit i.<br />
Prisexempel: Middag med en karaff vin (2 glas) på<br />
ett av Siem Reaps finare ställen 12$.<br />
Normalpriset på drinkar är nästan billigare än på<br />
happy hour priser i andra länder.<br />
En draught öl 50 cent på stranden idag<br />
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2 Stranden åt vänster</div>
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3 Stranden åt höger</div>
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4 Hotellpoolen</div>
Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-46663354177325679142013-12-26T03:29:00.001-08:002013-12-26T03:32:59.436-08:00131225, Siem Reap - Sihanoukville131225, Siem Reap - Sihanoukville<br />
Frukost 0700, avfärd 0800.<br />
Kort stopp 1050, nytt stopp 1230.<br />
Det är tänkt att vi skall ätaa lunch i Phnom Penh.<br />
Vi är inte färdiga med lunchen förrän 1640. Vi kommer<br />
ut ur Pnomh Penh 1800 och 2200 är vi framme vid vårt<br />
hotell efter 14 timmar i buss. En stor del har gått på<br />
vägar av rätt låg standard och trafiken har varit<br />
omfattande. En sådan här etapp är fullt i klass med<br />
CA-resan i januari vad beträffar tid.<br />
I Sihanoukville bor vi på Beach Road Hotel. Hotelet<br />
har hyggligt omdöme från LP och det är bara att instämma.<br />
Vi gick ut och fick en bit mat efter ankomsten. Min<br />
Khmer BBQ beef var inte bra. Segt kött.<br />
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Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-73448181558100105282013-12-24T02:49:00.001-08:002013-12-26T03:27:25.690-08:00131224, Siem Reap julafton (uppdaterad)131224, Siem Reap<br />
Idag var vi 5 st som hyrde tvp Tuk Tuk för en färd på 35 km<br />
till templet Banteay Srei och Landminemuseet som ligger i närheten.<br />
Banteay Srei är från niohundratalet och är äldre än Angkor Wat.<br />
Mycket fina och välbevarade utsmyckningar.<br />
Landminemuseet.<br />
I Kambodja finns fortfarande mängder med minor. Det var deprimerande<br />
att se detta på julafton.<br />
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10 Öl, Cambodia och Angkor gäller här</div>
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11 Julaftonskväll i Siem Reap</div>
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12 Hej, tomtegubbar slå i glasen..</div>
Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-36092499177209339532013-12-23T08:37:00.001-08:002013-12-26T03:12:44.277-08:00131223, Siem Reap131223, Siem Reap<br />
Upp vid halv sju för en snabb dusch-<br />
Vi hade beställt tuK tuk till Angkor Wat klockan 8.<br />
Under frukosten berättade jag för reskompisen Ulrik om att mitt nätverkskort pajat.<br />
-Jamen det finns en knapp för trådlöst nätverk bland funktionstangenterna.<br />
Du har säkert kommit åt den<br />
Efter frukosten testade jag att tryckja på alla knappar och mycket riktigt.<br />
Nätverket pep igång.<br />
Ulrik är verkligen mycket smartare än en chalmerist!<br />
Idag har vi så besökt tre av templen här.<br />
Angkor Wat, Angkor Thom och Ta Prom.<br />
<br />
Den yttre muren mäter 1024x802 m och är 4,5 m hög. Den är omgiven av gräs som är 30 m brett. Mot ena<br />
änden finns en flera hundra meter bred gräsyta. Anläggningen är sedan omgiven av en vallgrav som nogär 200 m bred.<br />
När London var en stor stad med 50000 invånare bodde i Angkor 1 miljon.<br />
Monumentalt och symmetri är ord som jag tänker på när jag går runt här.<br />
Bilderna får tala.<br />
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02 Tuk tuk till Angkor Wat</div>
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11 Hundratals meter med historieberättande väggar</div>
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18 Nedför</div>
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19 Lite linslus är man väl</div>
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20 Mindre stenar än inka, samma passning</div>
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Upp vid 6 och frukost ca 7.<br />
Avfärd från Silom Inn 0755.<br />
Lunchstopp 1130.<br />
Framme vid Kambodjanska gränsen 1245. Man kan köpa visa on arrival för<br />
20$. Foto krävs. Har man inte det får men betala 5$ extra. Dessutom<br />
försker man få loss 100 Baht av varje inresande. Dessa 100 Baht är enbart<br />
muta. Kambodja har en av de sämre platserna i "transparency index".<br />
Det är alltså ett av världens mest korrupta länder. Kl 1630 var vi äntligen igenom<br />
och for vidare mot Siem Reap dit vi kom 1915.<br />
Efter pudring av näsan snabbt ut på stan för lite info och mat.<br />
Jag och de tre andra mansinglarna hamnade på ett ställe där vi åt Khmer BBQ.<br />
En gasolbrännare ställdes fram på bordet. Varmt vatten hälldes på runt om.<br />
Lite äggpulver i vattnet och sedan i med grönsaker och nudlar. Högst upp var<br />
en fläsksvål. Dess fett rann ner efter sidorna och där kunde man sedna BBQa<br />
fläskkött, biff, kyckling, bläckfisk och krokodilkött. Man fick pilla själv och det<br />
blev väldigt gott.<br />
Tillbaka på Smileys Guest House skulle jag ladda upp till bloggen och det gick inte så bra.<br />
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Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-9525169196196213972013-12-22T08:16:00.002-08:002013-12-23T08:16:09.028-08:00Tyvärr. Pcns nätverkskort skadat detta blir nog sista inlägget. Gäller inte.<br />
<br />Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-65749267507435351232013-12-21T01:59:00.001-08:002013-12-23T08:15:42.283-08:00131221, Bangkok uppdaterad0830, efter frukosten avfärd med två minibussar till Chao Prao.<br />
för flodfärd med RB 800 Baht (160 Sek). Under färden fick vi<br />
bröd att offra till fiskar. Fiskarna fanns vid ett ställe i Thonburi,<br />
där det var förbjudet att fiska.<br />
Den kommers jag kommer ihåg för 35 år sedan i floating market syntes<br />
inte till idag.<br />
Vi var ca 10 stycken som klev av på tillbakavägen för att titta på<br />
Kungliga palatset.<br />
Inträde 500 Baht. Shorts var inte tillåtet. Mikael och jag fick fräcka<br />
draksidenbyxor. Mikael röda, jag blå. Hyra 30 Baht och deposition 100 Baht.<br />
Efter palatset promenad 5-10 minuter till Wat Pho, liggande buddan.<br />
Inträde 100 Baht (25 Sek).<br />
Mycket guldfärg var det!<br />
Vi sju som höll ihop hittade en taxi till oss alla till Siam Square. Det<br />
var en bra, bit 8-9 km i tung trafik, 500 Baht totalt. Billigt!<br />
Lunch på jättemallen MBK. Den är nog inte lika stor som Dubai mall<br />
men heller inte så dyr. Där fanns en stor food court med all möjlig<br />
asiatisk mat.<br />
Vid ingången fick man betala en summa som lades in på ett plastkort.<br />
Jag betalade 100 Baht.<br />
Pad thai (nudlar och ägg) 50 Baht och en stor cola 25 Baht. Överskottet kunde man<br />
sedan få tillbaka vid en refund counter.<br />
Vad bra! Personalen som hanterade maten tog aldrig i några pengar. Hur svårt<br />
kan det vara?<br />
Efter lunchen tittade vi ut på Siam Square. Där var det dans- och showgruppernas<br />
glada eftermiddag. Vi orkade med en kvart.<br />
Från Siam Square tog vi skytrain tre hållplatser (25 baht). Därifrån var det en kvarts<br />
promenad till hotellet.<br />
Där laddar vi nu för middag på fiskrestaurang ikväll. Vi beställde bord igår.<br />
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På kvällen middag Sonboon restaurang där vi beställde bord igår. Det var en världigt<br />
annorlunda klassrestaurang. Inredningen liknade en enkel servering. Aldrig har väl<br />
det skenet bedragit som nu.<br />
Vi beställde fyra rätter och fyra stora Singha. En fiskrätt, två skaldjursrätter och en<br />
mixed vegetables. Maträtterna var helt enorma. Skaldjursrätterna förmodligen de bästa<br />
jag någonsin ätit. Serveringen märktes inte. Ölglasen fylldes på hela tiden.<br />
Vad kostade då kalaset? 2710 Baht. Vi rundade av till 3000 = 150 sek pp. Förmodligen en<br />
av resans kulinariska höjdpunkter.<br />
Efter middagen besök på Banyan Tree Hotels Moonbar. Det var också ett minst sagt minnesvärt<br />
ställe på 61 våningen ute i fria luften. 450 pp för cocktail/öl.<br />
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13 Drinklistan på läsplatta</div>
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14 Spännande väg till bekvämlighetsrummen</div>
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15 Banyan moonbar. Vi bor snett upp till höger. Starka blåa ljuset. Ca 25 min promenad</div>
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Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-54239618861980048012013-12-20T02:02:00.000-08:002013-12-20T03:14:41.128-08:00131220, Bangkok131220, Bangkok<br />
Min granne på planet kommer från Malmö. Han visste inte<br />
att det gick att flyga från Kastrup så han hade flugit från Malmö<br />
till Arlanda ungefär samtidigtsom jag passerade Malmö. På hemvägen måste<br />
han ligga över en natt i Stockholm innan han flyger hem. Onödigt!<br />
Detta hade RB kunnast sköta mycket bättre!<br />
KLM blåser på bra i jetströmmen så vi är bara ca en halvtimme sena i<br />
Bangkok.<br />
Vid ankomsten möttes vi av Göran Karlsson som är reseledare på hela<br />
resan.<br />
Buss till hotellet och då fick vi lite allmän info. Jag såg förstås<br />
direkt att Bankok 1978, då jag var där senast, inte hade mycket likhet med Bangkok 2013.<br />
Vid hotellet växling resp uttag på ställen i närheten.<br />
100 $ = 3200 Baht ca.<br />
Jag Mikael, Olof och Johan gick och åt på Ban Chiang nära hotellet.<br />
5 rätter och fyra stora Singha 2000 Baht = 63 $ = ca 435 delat på 4.<br />
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<span style="text-align: start;"> På väg att beställa bord för morgondagens middag.</span></div>
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<span style="text-align: start;">Skratta ni. Imorgon ÄTER VI UPP ER,</span></div>
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Snart är det jul även här</div>
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Hotellet är mycket bra mellanklass. AC, wifi på rum och badrum och ganska stora rum.<br />
Frukost ingår.<br />
Livet leker.Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-50543623388409671192013-12-18T20:36:00.001-08:002013-12-20T01:58:49.213-08:00On the road again, 131219<div dir="ltr">
Upp 0350. Nu på första öresundståget som avgår 0540 från Gbg. </div>
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Fakirtåget framme vid Kastrup 4 min sent 0918.</div>
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Innanför security 0940. Ibland går det väldigt smidigt!</div>
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En stor latte på Starbuck ca 63 sek.</div>
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Takeoff 1220, flight time 1 t 10 min.</div>
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En liten flaska rödvin blir levererad ca 1240. När det gäller rödvin saknar jag så</div>
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klart min ransonkompis G.</div>
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Det kommer att bli gott om tid på Schiphol. Avfärd mot Bangkok 1725.</div>
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Tar en bit mat på för MCD för 8€.</div>
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Attans! Jag packade ner stösdstrumporna i resväskan. På Kastrup</div>
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kostade ett par "flight socks" 230 DK. Jag väntade till Schiphol.</div>
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Där fick jag tag på strumpor för 17€.</div>
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Avgång skulle varit 1725 och vi sitter fortfarande inte i planet.</div>
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Det verkar vara något med vänstra hjulparet.</div>
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1743..</div>
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1810 satt jag på min plats. Takeoff blev 1840. Hamnar bredvid två andra pinkare.</div>
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Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-65670162122244215742013-12-18T03:22:00.004-08:002013-12-18T07:24:06.396-08:00Onsdag, dagen innan avresa, 131218131218, Västra Frölunda<br />
Nu är det dan före dan! Imorgon bär det av.<br />
För mera än en månad sedan ringde jag och bokade taxi hos minitaxi här i Göteborg.<br />
Tåget till Kastrup går 0540. Trots att jag var ute i så god tid var minitaxi fullbokad.<br />
Som tur är hittade jag ett annat taxibolag.<br />
Våra lokalbussar börjar inte gå förrän efter kl. 5 så det hade inte funkat.<br />
Spårvagn linje 1 hade varit OK men jag har en bra bit till närmaste hållplats.<br />
Nu får det bli taxi!<br />
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Checkat in på KLMs flighter via nätet. Tyvärr gick det inte att välja plats.Per-Åke Wiklanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09341610134423330197noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7891064513222425921.post-87797183259248662752013-12-01T04:22:00.003-08:002013-12-18T07:08:54.123-08:00Första inlägget, 131201Dags för första inlägget mer än ca tre veckor resans start. Det är bara en kartbild över resans rutt. Förresten det kanske inte är så bara.<br />
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Flyg Stockholm Bangkok. För min del blir det "fakirtåget" 0540 från Göteborg till Kastrup<br />
19/12 och flyg Köpenhamn-Amsterdam-Bangkok. Landvägen till Siem Reap. Efter två<br />
dagar där väntar några lazy days i Sihanoukville vid kusten. Buss till Phnom Penh.<br />
Vidare med buss och sedan båt på Mekong och vi når slutpunkten Ho Chi Minh City<br />
(före detta Saigon). Från Ho Chi Minh City flyg hem till Paris-Stockholm/Göteborg.<br />
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I januari 2013 gjorde jag Rosa Bussarnas Centralamerikaresa. Jag bloggade på den resan och bloggen finns här:<br />
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